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“If you cannot prove it scientifically, then I cannot believe it.” This is a claim made by many students and individuals who have swallowed the lie of secularism and scientism. The myth suggests that only what we can prove with the hard sciences—physics, chemistry, biology—can be considered true or rational. On this view, anything else is relegated to the realm of "blind faith" or "private opinion".

In this episode of Logically Faithful, I have the honor of interviewing one of my heroes and mentors, Dr. J.P. Moreland. J.P. is a Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the Talbot School of Theology and holds degrees in chemistry, theology, and philosophy. In his recent work, Scientism and Secularism, he demolishes the ideology that is currently hollowing out our cultural understanding of truth.
J.P. defines Scientism as “the view that the hard sciences provide the only genuine knowledge of reality”. Under this shadow, claims about the spiritual world, God, or even love lose all intellectual authority.
But as we discuss in this interview, science itself rests on a foundation it cannot prove.
Listen to the full podcast episode below for a deeper exploration.
Before diving into the arguments, it is essential to understand exactly what we are fighting. J.P. distinguishes between two versions of this ideology. Strong Scientism is the radical claim that something is true only if it is a scientific claim that has been successfully tested. If it’s not in a textbook or a lab report, it’s not knowledge.
Weak Scientism is more subtle and more pervasive. It allows for the existence of other fields like art or religion, but it insists that science is vastly superior to them. In this view, if a scientific theory conflicts with a theological or moral claim, the scientific theory always wins by default because it is "knowledge" while the others are just "belief".
The most glaring problem with scientism is that it cannot survive its own scrutiny. The statement "only scientific truths are the only kind of truth" is not itself a scientific truth. You cannot go into a laboratory and perform an experiment to prove that "only science gives us knowledge."
That statement is a philosophical claim about science. Therefore, if the statement is true, it is a non-scientific truth. But if it is a non-scientific truth, then the statement itself proves that there are truths outside of science—which means the statement is false. It is like saying, "I cannot speak a word of English." By the very act of speaking, you refute the claim.
There are many areas of reality that we know with greater certainty than scientific theories, yet we cannot prove them with science alone. These include:
J.P. Moreland is well-known for his defense of the soul and the non-physical nature of the mind. He argues that our most intimate thoughts and experiences—what philosophers call "qualia"—are not physical.
If a scientist knew everything there was to know about the brain of a bat—every neuron, every chemical signal—they still would not know "what it is like" to be a bat. Physical facts are public and accessible, but mental facts are private and internal. This "knowledge gap" destabilizes the base of scientism. If science cannot account for the very consciousness that is doing the science, it cannot be an exhaustive map of reality.
Furthermore, the very laws of physics that allowed our universe to come into existence are not physical objects themselves. You cannot trip over the law of gravity or put the laws of thermodynamics in a test tube. They are the invisible, rational templates upon which the physical world is built.
One of the most liberating points J.P. makes in the interview is that knowledge does not require 100% absolute, mathematical certainty. We often feel that if we have a "shadow of doubt," we don't really know our faith is true. But as J.P. points out, knowledge is "defeasible"—meaning we can know something while still being open to the fact that we might be mistaken.
By reclaiming the idea that theology and ethics are "knowledge-based" fields, we provide ourselves with a ground of stability and courage. We believe not because it brings us comfort (though it does), but because it is actually, logically, and demonstrably true.
Some questions about faith and doubt cannot be resolved by arguments alone. They are lived, wrestled with, and experienced over time.
If you’d like thoughtful, non-judgmental ways to explore these questions more deeply, here are a few options:
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